Proposition 8 – love it or H8 it.

Prop 8With the election growing closer and the recent news of Connecticut legalizing gay marriage making National headlines, the focus on California’s November ballot initiative to deem same-sex marriage unconstitutional is growing sharper, and the debates surrounding the Proposition are growing more heated.

Proposition 8 seeks to ban gay marriage by amending the state Constitution with this clause: “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.” This Proposition was put on the ballot in response to the California Supreme Court’s May ruling that all people have a fundamental and equal right to legally marry the person of their choosing.

Gay marriage has been a hotbed of controversy in California since the 2004 election, and this season we’re seeing a lot of new designs crop up about the issue as well as about Proposition 8 itself.  Some are off-the cuff, some are funny, some are serious – and all are trying to make a point.   While the and No on H8 camps have official gear up on the issue, the vast majority of the designs are simply the voice of a single person with an opinion on the matter.

With designs being an indication of the public discourse, from our end the No on 8/pro equal rights/pro gay marriage folks are far more vocal.  Searches for Prop 8, Proposition 8 and gay marriage merchandise lead to results that sway heavily in favor of not discriminating against gay marriage.  Which is against Proposition 8.  Which is somewhat confusing.

So if you live in California, just remember that on November 4th, Yes = No on gay marriage and No = Yes on gay marriage.

  1. NO on 8!!
    I find it ridiculously ironic that the Coalition of African American Pastors (read: black Christians) are supporting this initiative (see the Official Voter Guide). Of all groups of individuals to support discrimination… It leads me to wonder, should we then revert to segregation and slavery? Ethnic cleansing? More wars in the name of God?

    Or should we just continue to discriminate against the gays? After all, they’re not our children, cousins, aunts, uncles, parents… they’re not real people. And they sure as hell don’t deserve the same rights as black, christian folks.

  2. Hey, buzzcowboy, thanks very much for featuring my “Can I Vote On Your Marriage Now?” bumper sticker at the top of your post.

    In the meantime… If the “No on 8/pro equal rights/pro gay marriage folks are far more vocal,” that’s because our civil rights are under direct attack — by an ugly campaign consisting of nothing but fear tactics and outright lies waged to advance a theocratic agenda of hatred and bigotry.

    And what’s the real motive of the anti-equality crusade? They think their marriages won’t be “special” anymore if they can’t withhold the same privilege from the rest of us. It’s pretty pathetic if a marriage is so shaky to begin with, they have to pretend gay people are the ones threatening it.


    – LavLib
    Legally married in California, August 9, 2008

  3. The best solution would be for government to get out of the marriage business altogether. Why anyone thinks any kind of private union should have to go through a judge is beyond me.

  4. Until 1973 homosexuality was known by professional medical and psychiatric people as a diagnosable mental illness.
    The only people who didn’t think they were mentally ill were the gays who organized and got it changed thru a man who now admits his mistake.
    So what you have now are the same people with mental illness wanting legal rights. I think we all know how absurd it would be for most mentally ill people to have thier illness removed as a diagnosis, forfeiting real help and instead declaring it a “choice” to hear voices, or find mutilating others tasteful albeit not everyone’s choice and all other perverse mental difficulties instead declare their rights are being discriminated against and should have all laws change to fit them and to actually promote the state of mental illness and codependency thru legal unions etc.
    So technically gay marriage is only supporting the lack of mental health care these people need and promoting their mental disease.
    It’s crazy marriage not gay marriage.

  5. Wow – are you really that deluded that you think homosexuality is a disorder? Did you choose to be straight? If so, when?

    I’m intrigued that you think you, the straight person, are better than anyone else. Because you don’t understand us you label us and put us in a little box, and the worst part, take away our rights as human beings, and as American Citizens.

    So, in short, rapists, murderers, child molesters etc. can marry – but we can’t. So, who’s sick now?

    You have an opinion, which you are entitled to, but be real. Homosexuality is not a disorder. We love unconditionally – do you?

  6. RE: post #4. I would like to see more information about the history of this change in 1973. Do you have a link?
    Thank you

  7. It should be up to a church not government to uphold the sacramental law of marriage. How is it that local governments can ban the word “God” in the “Pledge of Allegiance” and not allow a child to wear a religious t-shirt in the classroom because it blurs the boundaries of church and state, however government feels the need to uphold the church’s view of marriage as one between a man and a woman?

    The United States of America should protect the rights of it’s citizens, not hinder. I am not gay. I am a woman married to a man, and i would never believe that I or any other person has the right to interfere with the vow of lifelong love and commitment between two people. Gay people in love are people in love, poor people in love are people in love, Mormon/Christian/Atheist people in love are people in love. You see the trend.

    To speak to the above post, I do hope the person is not suggesting that health science pre-1973 was more advanced and accurate than it is at present time? Misdiagnosis due to lack of understanding is not uncommon in history.




    THURSDAY, OCTOBER 16, 2008
    Why I Can’t Vote For Obama

    “Trust in the LORD with all of your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding; in all of your ways acknowledge Him, and He will direct your paths.” Proverbs 3: 5-6
    By Huntley Brown.

    Dear Friends, A few months ago I was asked for my perspective on Obama, I sent out an email with a few points. With the election just around the corner I decided to complete my perspective. Those of you on my e-list have seen some of this before but it’s worth repeating…

    First I must say whoever wins the election will have my prayer support. Obama needs to be commended for his accomplishments but I need to explain why I will not be voting for him.

    Many of my friends process their identity through their blackness. I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a Christ follower) means He leads I follow. I can’t dictate the terms He does because He is the leader.

    I can’t vote black because I am black; I have to vote Christian because that’s who I am. Christian first, black second. Neither should anyone from the other ethnic groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I won’t be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked if I knew Jesus and accepted Him as Lord and Savior.

    In an election there are many issues to consider but when a society gets abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic stem-cell research, human cloning to name a few, wrong economic concerns will soon not matter.

    We need to follow Martin Luther King’s words, don’t judge someone by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I don’t know Obama so all I can go off is his voting record. His voting record earned him the title of the most liberal senator in the US Senate in 2007.

    NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008)
    To beat Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton as the most liberal senator, takes some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in 2 short years. I wonder what would happen to America if he had four years to work with.

    There is a reason Planned Parenthood gives him a 100 % rating. There is a reason the homosexual community supports him.. There is a reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas etc. love him. There is a reason he said he would nominate liberal judges to the Supreme Court. There is a reason he voted against the infanticide bill. There is a reason he voted No on the constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. There is a reason he voted No on banning partial birth abortion. There is a reason he voted No on confirming Justices Roberts and Alito. These two judges are conservatives and they have since overturned partial birth abortion. The same practice Obama wanted to continue.

    Let’s take a look at the practice he wanted to continue
    The 5 Step Partial Birth Abortion procedures:
    A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby’s leg with forceps. (Remember this is a live baby)
    B. The baby’s leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
    C. The abortionist delivers the baby’s entire body, except for the head.
    D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby’s skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.
    E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child’s brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.

    God help him. There is a reason Obama opposed the parental notification law.
    Think about this: You can’t give a kid an aspirin without parental notification but that same kid can have an abortion without parental notification. This is insane.

    There is a reason he went to Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years.
    Obama tells us he has good judgment but he sat under Jeremiah Wright teaching for 20 years. Now he is condemning Wright’s sermons. I wonder why now?

    Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and discipled him. A disciple is one in training. Jesus told us in Matthew 28:19 – 20 ‘Go and make disciples of all nations.’ This means reproduce yourself. Teach people to think like you, walk like you; talk like you believe what you believe etc. The question I have is what did Jeremiah Wright teach him?

    Would you support a White President who went to a church which has tenets that said they have a …

    1. Commitment to the White Community
    2. Commitment to the White Family
    3. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
    4. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community.
    5. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
    6. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
    7. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.

    Would you support a President who went to a church like that?
    Just change the word from white to black and you have the tenets of Obama’s former church. If President Bush was a member of a church like this, he would be called a racist. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would have been marching outside.

    This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake up after 20 years and just discovered he went to a racist church. The church can’t be about race. Jesus did not come for any particular race. He came for the whole world.

    A church can’t have a value system based on race. The churches value system has to be based on biblical mandate. It does not matter if it’s a white church or a black church it’s still wrong. Anyone from either race that attends a church like this would never get my vote.

    Obama’s former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of liberal theologian James Cone, author of the 1970 book A Black Theology of Liberation. Cone once wrote: ‘Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him.

    Cone is the man Obama’s mentor looks up to. Does Obama believe this?
    So what does all this mean for the nation?

    In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs of Obama to lead a nation it meant one thing – judgment.

    Read 1 Samuel 8 when Israel asked for a king. First God says in 1 Samuel 1:9 ‘Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do.’

    Then God says
    1 Samuel 1:18 ‘ When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day.’ 19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. ‘No!’ they said. ‘We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.’ 21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22 The LORD answered, ‘Listen to them and give them a king.’

    Here is what we know for sure. God is not schizophrenic.
    He would not tell one person to vote for Obama and one to vote for McCain. As the scripture says, a city divided against itself cannot stand, so obviously many people are not hearing from God.

    Maybe I am the one not hearing but I know God does not change and Obama contradicts many things I read in scripture so I doubt it.

    For all my friends who are voting for Obama can you really look God in the face and say; Father based on your word, I am voting for Obama even though I know he will continue the genocidal practice of partial birth abortion. He might have to nominate three or four Supreme Court justices, and I am sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making laws that are against you. I also know he will continue to push for homosexual rights, even though you destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this. I know I can look the other way because of the economy.

    I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama’s positions. Finally I have two questions for all my liberal friends.

    Since we know someone’s value system has to be placed on the nation,

    1. Whose value system should be placed on the nation.
    2. Who should determine that this is the right value system for the nation?

    Blessings, Huntley Brown

  9. I would like to remind all of the Christians (etc.) out there of your second and sixth commandment. The second: Love thy neighbor. The sixth: Thou shalt not kill.

    The second commandment I bring up to illustrate why Christians, especially, should vote no on prop 8. To Chirstian mothers of gay children/adults: Do not deny them the rights you take for granted too often.

    The sixth I bring up to illustrate the hypocrisy your religion teaches. War, war, war… all in the name of God.

    Perhaps it’s time to stop killing people who do not share your belief in God and allow them to live peaceful lives of their own. As far as I know, we’ve yet to have a war started by a homosexual woman.

  10. For 11.
    Would you say that you were loved as a child?
    If so, did that person who loved you ever say “no” to you?
    Do you think saying “no” is ever consistent with love?
    Imagine walking down the street with that person who loved you, and someone else threatens to kill you. Would you think it consistent with love for your protector to kill the attacker in order to defend you?

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  12. I think it’s sad that a person’s decision to marry the person they love is criticized by the world. Gay marriage is no different than heterosexual marriage. Would it be fair for people to ban interracial marriage? Or would it be fair if there was a law that banned the birth of mentally challenged children? It would be considered cruel so why is banning gay marriage not cruel? I think people should mind their own business and let people live the way they chose. I sure wouldn’t want a law telling me how i should live my life, and i’m sure you wouldn’t either.

  13. And Pass It On…

    I will be standing on the corner of Fair Oaks and Mission in South Pasadena (across from Rite Aid at the bank) at 11:00pm on November 7, 2008 (Friday Night) supporting the NO on Prop 8 because I believe in EQUALITY FOR ALL and I support Love and Marriage… So if you want to come and join me please bring your signs to hold up and (FRIENDLY) Protest this Prop 8 because it is WRONG and UNFAIR!!! We need to take a stand…. So who is with me? Please bring your friends and family because we need our voice to be heard…

    email me if you want to join me and if you need to know where I will be standing

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